BlandChili

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i didn t understand last part lol a 3some lena/ian/ivy can be hot
Sure, but I wasn't implying anything sexual. Since the first sentence in my second paragraph talks about Ivy modelling independently that would be what Lena or Ian would be helping her with and not having sex.
 

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It literally had a question mark! :LOL: It's just you could play a lot more of the game if you weren't stopping here to read and write. It's just poor time management ;)

But you do you
i need a break of the games times for times. Your avatar are a polar bear,i think i will choose a pinguin as profil picture.

had someone won the tournaments? dev said there issue with open relation at chapter
 

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Sure, but I wasn't implying anything sexual. Since the first sentence in my second paragraph talks about Ivy modelling independently that would be what Lena or Ian would be helping her with and not having sex.
okay i get it now. Speaking of photoshoot i think ian will continue helping cindy and keep aways axel as possible. Of course depending of your choice.
 

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i need a break of the games times for times. Your avatar are a polar bear,i think i will choose a pinguin as profil picture.

had someone won the tournaments? dev said there issue with open relation at chapter
A hungover polar bear, with a mostly finished bottle of liquor. So you'd need a drunk penguin, or maybe a coked or meth'd up one.

And that's fair. Just remember, we know why you need a break, so handholding ain't likely to happen. /s
 
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okay i get it now. Speaking of photoshoot i think ian will continue helping cindy and keep aways axel as possible. Of course depending of your choice.
Ian isn't a professional photographer though, so he can't box (keep away) Axel out easily.

Though it's likely they will have to actually fight at some point, since it's been teased so much. The story/character/emotional beats are going to be all over the place, depending on the route.
 

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Ian isn't a professional photographer though, so he can't box (keep away) Axel out easily.

Though it's likely they will have to actually fight at some point, since it's been teased so much. The story/character/emotional beats are going to be all over the place, depending on the route.
like i said before irl relation are complicated,i think eva wanted the game to be close to the reality.

By way i played the game a years ago,i think just i didn t play the 1-2 last update.

yeah probably they will fight axel are violant
 

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Not sure, but you might try the following:

* have Holly join Ivy's gym classes
* overall make sure Holly's change variable is kept low (no more than 3, preferably less)
* in Ch.7 Encourage Holly when Ivy brings up Mark
* when Holly is talking with Mark at Ivy's birthday party, interrupt them. With low change variable this should lower holly_guy variable to 0.5 and then automatically to 1, which is not enough for Holly to leave the party with Mark, but enough to keep this pairing open.
* with Holly out of the picture have Lena suck off Mark in the club toilet in Ch.10
* Mark will text Lena in Ch.11, accept his invitation to activate lena_mark_dating
* later in Ch.11 Holly and Lena will talk about Mark/Holly during Holly's phone call. Pick the option "You should do it", to set holly_guy to 2 which should be enough for sex to happen.
You are right. I don't usually play slutty Lena and Holly and the few times I did I went all in with Holly so I didn't know about that.

If you started a relationship with Holly you can't. I assume the same is the case for trinity.
Regarding this, about a week ago I encountered something that I'm not sure if it's a bug or it's intended but I just forgot to put it here till now:

Python:
if holly_trinity == 2 or lena_holly_dating or (ian_lena_pure and ian_lena_3some == False) or (ian_lena_couple and ian_lena_open != "lena" and ian_lena_open != "ian"):
    jump v13emmadateend
So that confirms what you said that if relationship Lena/Holly or trinity, sex with Emma doesn't happen. Also if Lena and Ian are in a serious relationship and didn't already have a threesome with Louise, sex doesn't happen either, which makes sense. The part that I'm not sure if it's a bug is that if you have an open relationship since the beginning (ian_lena_open = True), sex doesn't happen. You need to have the relationship opened during the beach trip crisis.
 

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You are right. I don't usually play slutty Lena and Holly and the few times I did I went all in with Holly so I didn't know about that.



Regarding this, about a week ago I encountered something that I'm not sure if it's a bug or it's intended but I just forgot to put it here till now:

Python:
if holly_trinity == 2 or lena_holly_dating or (ian_lena_pure and ian_lena_3some == False) or (ian_lena_couple and ian_lena_open != "lena" and ian_lena_open != "ian"):
    jump v13emmadateend
So that confirms what you said that if relationship Lena/Holly or trinity, sex with Emma doesn't happen. Also if Lena and Ian are in a serious relationship and didn't already have a threesome with Louise, sex doesn't happen either, which makes sense. The part that I'm not sure if it's a bug is that if you have an open relationship since the beginning (ian_lena_open = True), sex doesn't happen. You need to have the relationship opened during the beach trip crisis.
dev said in the walkthrough there issue with the open relationship
 

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So that confirms what you said that if relationship Lena/Holly or trinity, sex with Emma doesn't happen. Also if Lena and Ian are in a serious relationship and didn't already have a threesome with Louise, sex doesn't happen either, which makes sense. The part that I'm not sure if it's a bug is that if you have an open relationship since the beginning (ian_lena_open = True), sex doesn't happen. You need to have the relationship opened during the beach trip crisis.
Isn't that because the first version of their "opened" relationship is just them agreeing to try out sex with others together? To actually "open" it you need to cheat and agree to it. Like you said without the Louise threesome, Ian and Lena have yet to actually experiment together yet, so their relationship has to get to that point regardless of them agreeing to it being open or not.
 
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Isn't that because the first version of their "opened" relationship is just them agreeing to try out sex with others together? To actually "open" it you need to cheat and agree to it. Like you said without the Louise threesome, Ian and Lena have yet to actually experiment together yet, so their relationship couldn't be open for Lena to get with Emma at that point.
i do read the walkthrough or play without?
 

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Isn't that because the first version of their "opened" relationship is just them agreeing to try out sex with others together? To actually "open" it you need to cheat and agree to it. Like you said without the Louise threesome, Ian and Lena have yet to actually experiment together yet, so their relationship has to get to that point regardless of them agreeing to it being open or not.
Yeah, I mentally divide them into '3some open' and 'true open.' Because they are not treated the same. Kinda felt like EK had an idea, but got distracted, and then the plot pushed past what the original plan was.
 

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One thought I've had for ages, is for all the cheating in the game, everyone (but except maybe Ivy, Axel, Cherry, and perhaps Mike[?] because we don't see enough of their perspective) has horrible OpSec. Constant blatant texting, saving of sexts, no deleting or special apps, doing it inside the friend group. Ian and Cindy in the alley outside Blazer is the worst example, but Lena in Blazer is nearly as bad. They're all amateur cheaters (which is better than the master level cheaters), which fits the game, but oh so naive.

But from a dev perspective, you have the easiest ways of blowing up their spot for drama that you can find.

The lying to Perry (over Cindy) was an interesting system, especially with the feint of low points being worse than high points, that was pretty ingenious on EKs part.
 
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Isn't that because the first version of their "opened" relationship is just them agreeing to try out sex with others together? To actually "open" it you need to cheat and agree to it. Like you said without the Louise threesome, Ian and Lena have yet to actually experiment together yet, so their relationship has to get to that point regardless of them agreeing to it being open or not.
The thing is that even if you have agreed to experiment together and alredy had the threesome with Louise, sex with Emma doesn't happen unless you got the ian_lena_pure path during the beach trip (that's what happened to me during my playthrough). Also, let's remember that the experimentation together with Louise happens after the already consumated Lena/Louise sex. By the way, Emma doesn't say a thing about already having had sex with Ian if it happened (clearly best girl and best friend ever) which could lead to a sort of repetition of the Axel/Lena/Cherry thing.
 
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One thought I've had for ages, is for all the cheating in the game, everyone (but except maybe Ivy, Axel, Cherry, and perhaps Mike[?] because we don't see enough of their perspective) has horrible OpSec. Constant blatant texting, saving of sexts, no deleting or special apps, doing it inside the friend group. Ian and Cindy in the alley outside Blazer is the worst example, but Lena in Blazer is nearly as bad. They're all amateur cheaters (which is better than the master level cheaters), which fits the game, but oh so naive.

But from a dev perspective, you have the easiest ways of blowing up their spot for drama that you can find.

The lying to Perry (over Cindy) was an interesting system, especially with the feint of low points being worse than high points, that was pretty ingenious on EKs part.
Well it's also because the cheating isn't really a conscious effort for its own sake, perhaps except for Minerva and also Mike. He seems rather blasé about sleeping with both Lena and Ivy and Lena gets off on being the better woman, before finding out at least lol.

Cindy does have the cheating specific routing, but otherwise her content as well as most other sexual content has to fit into sex scenes that can also be not cheating, so the affairs come across as very casual and spontaneous in that way. Lena and Ian aren't really going out of their way to cheat, they just happen to be cheating if the player is combining routes.
 

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One thought I've had for ages, is for all the cheating in the game, everyone (but except maybe Ivy, Axel, Cherry, and perhaps Mike[?] because we don't see enough of their perspective) has horrible OpSec. Constant blatant texting, saving of sexts, no deleting or special apps, doing it inside the friend group. Ian and Cindy in the alley outside Blazer is the worst example, but Lena in Blazer is nearly as bad. They're all amateur cheaters (which is better than the master level cheaters), which fits the game, but oh so naive.
The plot demands drama. Hence, amateur cheaters.
 

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Well it's also because the cheating isn't really a conscious effort for its own sake, perhaps except for Minerva and also Mike. He seems rather blasé about sleeping with both Lena and Ivy and Lena gets off on being the better woman, before finding out at least lol.

Cindy does have the cheating specific routing, but otherwise her content as well as most other sexual content has to fit into sex scenes that can also be not cheating, so the affairs come across as very casual and spontaneous in that way. Lena and Ian aren't really going out of their way to cheat, they just happen to be cheating if the player is combining routes.
The plot demands drama. Hence, amateur cheaters.
what pro cheater so? lol
 

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Well it's also because the cheating isn't really a conscious effort for its own sake, perhaps except for Minerva and also Mike. He seems rather blasé about sleeping with both Lena and Ivy and Lena gets off on being the better woman, before finding out at least lol.

Cindy does have the cheating specific routing, but otherwise her content as well as most other sexual content has to fit into sex scenes that can also be not cheating, so the affairs come across as very casual and spontaneous in that way. Lena and Ian aren't really going out of their way to cheat, they just happen to be cheating if the player is combining routes.
Not sure I'm fully understanding your points.

Personally, cheating and everything around it, seems to be EKs favoured kink. They've got a knack and an interest, and it shows. It's not mine, so I only ever get to those scenes when I've played my favourite routes and variations, and then I'll explore those ones, but I've got a mental distance to it.

Both Ian and Lena can choose to continue cheating, so even a particular example wasn't premeditated, they are making an effort to be open to it, and to continue cheating (on those paths). Making them both massive hypocrites, but that's part of the core game experience. You can avoid cheating, but it's very hard to avoid the temptation of cheating, in some form. Even the Holly/Ian/Lena is like dibs/friends level cheating. Not to mention all the Sapphic on the Side gets a free pass.
 
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